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	<title>Comments on: Hillsborough, 15 April 1989</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 06:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police as organisations, rather than as individuals, are a disgrace in Britain; an arm of state suppression of a population feared by goverments formed largely of one class. The line one&#039;s own pockets class.  This is the true face of &quot;broken Britain&quot;.  Government is broken and so social cohesion is broken.  Why is Britain like this?  Is it a lingering legacy of the Norman invasion - them and us or is their a more modern cause.

  This incident demonstrates that there are good individual  football fans, policemen and MPs but as a mass they act against their fellow man.  Football fans were selfishly trying to push there way into obviously overcrowd pens.  The police failed to prevent them and then, in their shame and fear, tried to discredit them as part of a 20 year cover up that involed government ministers.  State collusion in the protection of police who commit crimes in its name lead the police to demand for protection when police act stupidly or recklessly.  This is government&#039;s contract with its organs of state control.

Why do we allow it to continue?  Because, en masse, we like it that way.  The British, but the English in particular, will do anything to avoid taking responsibility for the governance of their country to the extent that the majority even voted in a referendum not to have MPs democratically elected.  Had they been given the option, they would have voted to continue to have minority elected governments as, with two exceptions, we have had since universal adult enfranchisement.  Whilst we can still find decency in individuals we are prepared to overlook corruption and other forms of criminal activity by the organs of the state except, perhaps, in Liverpool.  In Liverpool we see a glimmer of hope for our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police as organisations, rather than as individuals, are a disgrace in Britain; an arm of state suppression of a population feared by goverments formed largely of one class. The line one&#8217;s own pockets class.  This is the true face of &#8220;broken Britain&#8221;.  Government is broken and so social cohesion is broken.  Why is Britain like this?  Is it a lingering legacy of the Norman invasion &#8211; them and us or is their a more modern cause.</p>
<p>  This incident demonstrates that there are good individual  football fans, policemen and MPs but as a mass they act against their fellow man.  Football fans were selfishly trying to push there way into obviously overcrowd pens.  The police failed to prevent them and then, in their shame and fear, tried to discredit them as part of a 20 year cover up that involed government ministers.  State collusion in the protection of police who commit crimes in its name lead the police to demand for protection when police act stupidly or recklessly.  This is government&#8217;s contract with its organs of state control.</p>
<p>Why do we allow it to continue?  Because, en masse, we like it that way.  The British, but the English in particular, will do anything to avoid taking responsibility for the governance of their country to the extent that the majority even voted in a referendum not to have MPs democratically elected.  Had they been given the option, they would have voted to continue to have minority elected governments as, with two exceptions, we have had since universal adult enfranchisement.  Whilst we can still find decency in individuals we are prepared to overlook corruption and other forms of criminal activity by the organs of the state except, perhaps, in Liverpool.  In Liverpool we see a glimmer of hope for our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Williams</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/13/hillsborough/#comment-18159</link>
		<dc:creator>John Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian hi

I don&#039;t think I have ever been to a major football match, Liverpool or otherwise, when every single fan present has had a ticket. There are always touts present so there is always a chance of picking a ticket up outside the stadium - I have done it myself.

The point is that Lord Justice Taylor in his 1990 inquiry report found no evidence that it was the presence of ticketless Liverpool fans that caused the disaster. It was effectively and safely managing supporters with tickets into the stadium that was the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian hi</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have ever been to a major football match, Liverpool or otherwise, when every single fan present has had a ticket. There are always touts present so there is always a chance of picking a ticket up outside the stadium &#8211; I have done it myself.</p>
<p>The point is that Lord Justice Taylor in his 1990 inquiry report found no evidence that it was the presence of ticketless Liverpool fans that caused the disaster. It was effectively and safely managing supporters with tickets into the stadium that was the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/13/hillsborough/#comment-18156</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one thing which I feel has not been clarified.  Did every single Liverpool fan that went to Hillsborough have a ticket for the game.

The rumour I heard was that there was a lot of fans that attended but did not have tickets.

So glad the report has got to the whole truth.</description>
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<p>The rumour I heard was that there was a lot of fans that attended but did not have tickets.</p>
<p>So glad the report has got to the whole truth.</p>
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