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	<title>Comments on: Michael Gove and the English Baccalaureate</title>
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	<description>From one of the UK’s leading universities comes a new way to make real progress on some key issues that shape our society. Join some of Britain’s leading academics and highest-profile opinion formers as we seek answers that could change the way we live for the better. So, the floor is yours; will you make the most of it?</description>
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		<title>By: MIke</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18532</link>
		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 14:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that your daughter worked extremely hard and is exceptionally talented and able in 10 different subjects (far cleverer and harder-working than anybody in my day, when pupils took only 8 subjects and it was unheard of to get A in more than half, even if you were Oxbridge fodder). Unfortunately, the current system means that some of her contemporaries, who are not quite so brilliant as her, will have achieved similar results. Is that not a problem?

And not only has it not highlighted any weaknesses, it has not highlighted any strengths either. Is that not also a problem?

I will be extremely disappointed if my son, in a few years, achieves the same grades as your daughter (or if the pupils in the school where I am a Governor achieve those sort of grades). Not disappointed in him or them, but disappointed in a system that will have abjectly failed to stretch the pupils&#039; abilities. A good system is one which creates a spread of marks, not one where everybody scores top marks at everything, whatever parents may say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that your daughter worked extremely hard and is exceptionally talented and able in 10 different subjects (far cleverer and harder-working than anybody in my day, when pupils took only 8 subjects and it was unheard of to get A in more than half, even if you were Oxbridge fodder). Unfortunately, the current system means that some of her contemporaries, who are not quite so brilliant as her, will have achieved similar results. Is that not a problem?</p>
<p>And not only has it not highlighted any weaknesses, it has not highlighted any strengths either. Is that not also a problem?</p>
<p>I will be extremely disappointed if my son, in a few years, achieves the same grades as your daughter (or if the pupils in the school where I am a Governor achieve those sort of grades). Not disappointed in him or them, but disappointed in a system that will have abjectly failed to stretch the pupils&#8217; abilities. A good system is one which creates a spread of marks, not one where everybody scores top marks at everything, whatever parents may say.</p>
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		<title>By: Cath</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18507</link>
		<dc:creator>Cath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanting to return to an antiquated O Level style system with an exam at the end of two years work which was scrapped because it disadvantaged the majority of students who did not have the ability to cram is BONKERS!  It is also disrespectful to all the educational professionals who have worked to develop a more equitable system.  
My daughter has just completed her GCSE&#039;s She achieved 5 A* and the rest were A&#039;s. In order to achieve that she had to work really hard throughout the two years of the course rather than what I did with my O level&#039;s which was to coast along for 18 months and then cram.  According to MIKE my daughter&#039;s achievement was not a good result as it it did not highlight any weaknesses!  

GCSE&#039;s are not perfect, nor is the education system; particularly as it continues to fail those who have more practical skills and interests and force them through the &#039;sausage machine of academic qualifications.&#039;  However, it is complete madness to scrap everything that has been learnt and developed in secondary education over the last 30 years to suit the whim of a minister who did all right in his O levels in his privileged world of private education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanting to return to an antiquated O Level style system with an exam at the end of two years work which was scrapped because it disadvantaged the majority of students who did not have the ability to cram is BONKERS!  It is also disrespectful to all the educational professionals who have worked to develop a more equitable system.<br />
My daughter has just completed her GCSE&#8217;s She achieved 5 A* and the rest were A&#8217;s. In order to achieve that she had to work really hard throughout the two years of the course rather than what I did with my O level&#8217;s which was to coast along for 18 months and then cram.  According to MIKE my daughter&#8217;s achievement was not a good result as it it did not highlight any weaknesses!  </p>
<p>GCSE&#8217;s are not perfect, nor is the education system; particularly as it continues to fail those who have more practical skills and interests and force them through the &#8216;sausage machine of academic qualifications.&#8217;  However, it is complete madness to scrap everything that has been learnt and developed in secondary education over the last 30 years to suit the whim of a minister who did all right in his O levels in his privileged world of private education.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gove and the English Baccalaureate &#124; Curriculum Development in Geography &#124; Scoop.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gove and the English Baccalaureate &#124; Curriculum Development in Geography &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Professor Bernard Barker, School of Education, University of Leicester debates the announcement of the EBacc and the retirement of GCSE&#039;s.&#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Monad</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18400</link>
		<dc:creator>Monad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Professor Bernard Barker! I am disturbed  MIke is allowed to be a school governor. His arguments are just like Gove&#039;s, based on hearsay, without evidence. I have recently retired from 30 years in secondary education, and whilst GCSE&#039;s are not perfect, to say they are &quot;hopelessly not-fit-for-purpose&quot; is just plain wrong. Going back to the O level/CSE won&#039;t work either. I don&#039;t think Gove understands the purpose of education either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Professor Bernard Barker! I am disturbed  MIke is allowed to be a school governor. His arguments are just like Gove&#8217;s, based on hearsay, without evidence. I have recently retired from 30 years in secondary education, and whilst GCSE&#8217;s are not perfect, to say they are &#8220;hopelessly not-fit-for-purpose&#8221; is just plain wrong. Going back to the O level/CSE won&#8217;t work either. I don&#8217;t think Gove understands the purpose of education either.</p>
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		<title>By: Teige M-P</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18397</link>
		<dc:creator>Teige M-P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, the current government is sneaking in some diabolical reforms to education and health that appear 100% the whim, delusion and ideology of some detatched ministers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, the current government is sneaking in some diabolical reforms to education and health that appear 100% the whim, delusion and ideology of some detatched ministers.</p>
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		<title>By: DBS</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18355</link>
		<dc:creator>DBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the definition of &quot;fit for purpose&quot;, and who defines it?

This would seem to be the (subjective, even arbitrary?) standard against which GCSEs are said to have failed. An example - I live in The Netherlands. All of the children at our international school (no names, won&#039;t take long to guess) take GCSE Dutch, many in Year 9, many get an A or A*. Is this below par or not fit for purpose because they are so young? No. I learnt French and German at school, and Dutch on the streets, so to speak, which allows a nice comparison from a position of some expertise. Perusing through the syllabus for Dutch IGCSE, one thing is clear - if anyone masters the subject-matter of this syllabus, they would be able to hit the streets running with Dutch, understand and be understood, and function pretty well, barring the occasional lack of vocabulary. That is a considerable achievement, and an eminently useful and practial one. So it is eminently fit for purpose because the course work and exam demonstate that a decent level of language has been achieved.

Now, apply that to other subjects, according to your knowledge. Is the GCSE per se unfit for purpose, or is it simply a matter of ensuring challenging but useful and achievable content, and setting the bar for cerain grades at a level to distinguish real achievement while avoiding the &quot;all must have prizes&quot; dogma? I don&#039;t think that is difficult to answer.

Have to comment that there is a body of evidence that standards are falling, from the PISA assessments internationally and from the regular analyses from the University of Durham. But these are arguments for re-calibration and for re-organisation (a central authority for exams rather than race-to-the-bottom exam board competition?) not for wholesale replacement with a new system based on a rose-tinted view of the standards of the past. I did O and A levels and went to a grammar school just like Mr Gove, who is a year younger than me, and I&#039;m not sure I had a harder time than my children, who are now spread through the whole public examination life experience (!) or that they are learning less. And we had to achieve something like a baccalaureate, in everything but name - English, Maths, a language and 2 other O levels at grade C or above, or no entry into the 6th form. What&#039;s in a name? Not a new exam system, surely!

There are many aspects of improving our education system and giving children the skills and knowledge they will need - it would be nice if noisy parents really did give a damn and actually supported their schools rather than complaining and doing nothing, and I&#039;ve run into too many truly dreadful teachers and incompetent school managers, but that&#039;s only my experience. But I feel, without being able to prove it, that clamouring for a new exam system is pointless when a thorough review of the current system, which has the merit of being understood, would suffice.

And what is wrong with recalibrating a system in which future results would appear to go down? After all, such grade inflation would not happen at a British university, would it? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the definition of &#8220;fit for purpose&#8221;, and who defines it?</p>
<p>This would seem to be the (subjective, even arbitrary?) standard against which GCSEs are said to have failed. An example &#8211; I live in The Netherlands. All of the children at our international school (no names, won&#8217;t take long to guess) take GCSE Dutch, many in Year 9, many get an A or A*. Is this below par or not fit for purpose because they are so young? No. I learnt French and German at school, and Dutch on the streets, so to speak, which allows a nice comparison from a position of some expertise. Perusing through the syllabus for Dutch IGCSE, one thing is clear &#8211; if anyone masters the subject-matter of this syllabus, they would be able to hit the streets running with Dutch, understand and be understood, and function pretty well, barring the occasional lack of vocabulary. That is a considerable achievement, and an eminently useful and practial one. So it is eminently fit for purpose because the course work and exam demonstate that a decent level of language has been achieved.</p>
<p>Now, apply that to other subjects, according to your knowledge. Is the GCSE per se unfit for purpose, or is it simply a matter of ensuring challenging but useful and achievable content, and setting the bar for cerain grades at a level to distinguish real achievement while avoiding the &#8220;all must have prizes&#8221; dogma? I don&#8217;t think that is difficult to answer.</p>
<p>Have to comment that there is a body of evidence that standards are falling, from the PISA assessments internationally and from the regular analyses from the University of Durham. But these are arguments for re-calibration and for re-organisation (a central authority for exams rather than race-to-the-bottom exam board competition?) not for wholesale replacement with a new system based on a rose-tinted view of the standards of the past. I did O and A levels and went to a grammar school just like Mr Gove, who is a year younger than me, and I&#8217;m not sure I had a harder time than my children, who are now spread through the whole public examination life experience (!) or that they are learning less. And we had to achieve something like a baccalaureate, in everything but name &#8211; English, Maths, a language and 2 other O levels at grade C or above, or no entry into the 6th form. What&#8217;s in a name? Not a new exam system, surely!</p>
<p>There are many aspects of improving our education system and giving children the skills and knowledge they will need &#8211; it would be nice if noisy parents really did give a damn and actually supported their schools rather than complaining and doing nothing, and I&#8217;ve run into too many truly dreadful teachers and incompetent school managers, but that&#8217;s only my experience. But I feel, without being able to prove it, that clamouring for a new exam system is pointless when a thorough review of the current system, which has the merit of being understood, would suffice.</p>
<p>And what is wrong with recalibrating a system in which future results would appear to go down? After all, such grade inflation would not happen at a British university, would it? <img src='http://leicesterexchanges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: MIke</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18350</link>
		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 11:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;d love a job where I only have to know one thing at a time! Please explain how modular coursework relates to &quot;sustained performance over a period of time&quot;. I would be more impressed by someone who can learn everything then forget it than someone who learns then forgets each thing sequentially.

An ability to retain a broad range of applicable skills and information is essential when required to &quot;pick up new tasks and opportunities&quot;. But if everything is learned in a modular, unconnected way then, as a great man once said: &quot;Every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;d love a job where I only have to know one thing at a time! Please explain how modular coursework relates to &#8220;sustained performance over a period of time&#8221;. I would be more impressed by someone who can learn everything then forget it than someone who learns then forgets each thing sequentially.</p>
<p>An ability to retain a broad range of applicable skills and information is essential when required to &#8220;pick up new tasks and opportunities&#8221;. But if everything is learned in a modular, unconnected way then, as a great man once said: &#8220;Every time I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18345</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 14:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I generally agree with the thrust of your argument, the claim that examinations are a better reflection of real-life than course work is baffling. I would feel genuinely sorry for anyone whose working life was one long examination with no time to fill gaps in knowledge or to seek external expertise or opinion. Also, haven’t you encountered the phenomenon of cram-regurgitate-forget?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I generally agree with the thrust of your argument, the claim that examinations are a better reflection of real-life than course work is baffling. I would feel genuinely sorry for anyone whose working life was one long examination with no time to fill gaps in knowledge or to seek external expertise or opinion. Also, haven’t you encountered the phenomenon of cram-regurgitate-forget?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Lucas - English Association</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18344</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Lucas - English Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the English Association told the DfE in a meeting last week, there will be much confusion over these new examinations which are in fact called English Baccalaureate Certificates - these will initially be awarded in English, history, geography, the sciences, mathematics and languages and are completely different to the English Baccaulaureate . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the English Association told the DfE in a meeting last week, there will be much confusion over these new examinations which are in fact called English Baccalaureate Certificates &#8211; these will initially be awarded in English, history, geography, the sciences, mathematics and languages and are completely different to the English Baccaulaureate . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Peta Fray</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18334</link>
		<dc:creator>Peta Fray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 23:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did you last take an exam in the &#039;real world?  The closest thing you get is a test for OH&amp;S which everyone must pass to tick the appropriate boxes in audit process.  
In the world of work you absolutely learn one thing, apply it and then move on.  What course work and modular learning does is develop the skills for the project type work that most people manage today.  Long gone are the days of one job, one skill.  If you are not flexible and don&#039;t have the ability to pick up new tasks and opportunities, then you will struggle.  How does an exam where you cram everything into your head, then promptly forget it all, rather than sustained performance over a period of time, have any bearing on the future work place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did you last take an exam in the &#8216;real world?  The closest thing you get is a test for OH&amp;S which everyone must pass to tick the appropriate boxes in audit process.<br />
In the world of work you absolutely learn one thing, apply it and then move on.  What course work and modular learning does is develop the skills for the project type work that most people manage today.  Long gone are the days of one job, one skill.  If you are not flexible and don&#8217;t have the ability to pick up new tasks and opportunities, then you will struggle.  How does an exam where you cram everything into your head, then promptly forget it all, rather than sustained performance over a period of time, have any bearing on the future work place.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first line should have read, Mr Gove wants to replace GCSEs which are dumbed down O Level GCE examinations with a dumbed down version of the IB Middle Years Programme.

C- for proof reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first line should have read, Mr Gove wants to replace GCSEs which are dumbed down O Level GCE examinations with a dumbed down version of the IB Middle Years Programme.</p>
<p>C- for proof reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18324</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Goverment wants to replace GCSE with are dumbed down O Level  GCE examinations with a dumbed down version of IB Middle Years Programme.  How much better to give pupils the real thing to get them thinking rather than storing a few facts to regurgitate on one day.  

To quote the IBO, the IB MYP programme consists of eight subject groups integrated through five areas of interaction that provide a framework for learning within and across the subjects. Students are required to study their mother tongue, a second language, humanities, sciences, mathematics, arts, physical education and technology. In the final year of the programme, students also engage in a personal project, which allows them to demonstrate the understandings and skills they have developed throughout the programme.

If you want to create a well educated society how could you consider giving your children less than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Goverment wants to replace GCSE with are dumbed down O Level  GCE examinations with a dumbed down version of IB Middle Years Programme.  How much better to give pupils the real thing to get them thinking rather than storing a few facts to regurgitate on one day.  </p>
<p>To quote the IBO, the IB MYP programme consists of eight subject groups integrated through five areas of interaction that provide a framework for learning within and across the subjects. Students are required to study their mother tongue, a second language, humanities, sciences, mathematics, arts, physical education and technology. In the final year of the programme, students also engage in a personal project, which allows them to demonstrate the understandings and skills they have developed throughout the programme.</p>
<p>If you want to create a well educated society how could you consider giving your children less than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gove and the English Baccalaureate &#124; Leicester Blogs &#124; Scoop.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gove and the English Baccalaureate &#124; Leicester Blogs &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] By Professor Bernard Barker, Emeritus Professor, School of Education, University of Leicester.&#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MIke</title>
		<link>http://leicesterexchanges.com/2012/09/27/ebacc/#comment-18305</link>
		<dc:creator>MIke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent and a school governor, I welcome anything that replaces the hopelessly not-fit-for-purpose GCSE. Any system of measurement which unrelently trends towards 100% (see also A-levels) is ultimately doomed to failure and cannot provide effective comparisons between differing year groups.

Exams only have value if they function in a meritocratic way. Too many left-wing apologists see &#039;meritocracy&#039; as a dirty word, believing the Blairite nonsense that somehow everyone can succeed at everything. It&#039;s not about some people doing &#039;well&#039; and some doing &#039;badly&#039;, it&#039;s about everyone doing well at the things they&#039;re good at. If a student scores highly across all their subjects, how can they, their school or any employer or university distinguish their strengths. Rather than a good spread of marks punishing the less able, a narrow spread punishes the more able by failing to identify or distinguish their abilities.

Also, a return to a reliance on exams is definitely to be welcomed. Back in the days of O-levels people complained that they were hard. Information: they&#039;re meant to be. Modular course-work doesn&#039;t in any way reflect real-life. In the world of work, you can&#039;t learn one thing, apply it, then forget about it and learn something else. You have to know everything all the time and be able to draw on whichever part of your knowledge is appropriate in a given situation - just like an exam. (There is also an argument that exams tend to favour boys, coursework favours girls. So, since boys underperform at school, a return to exams would go some way towards redressing this inequality.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent and a school governor, I welcome anything that replaces the hopelessly not-fit-for-purpose GCSE. Any system of measurement which unrelently trends towards 100% (see also A-levels) is ultimately doomed to failure and cannot provide effective comparisons between differing year groups.</p>
<p>Exams only have value if they function in a meritocratic way. Too many left-wing apologists see &#8216;meritocracy&#8217; as a dirty word, believing the Blairite nonsense that somehow everyone can succeed at everything. It&#8217;s not about some people doing &#8216;well&#8217; and some doing &#8216;badly&#8217;, it&#8217;s about everyone doing well at the things they&#8217;re good at. If a student scores highly across all their subjects, how can they, their school or any employer or university distinguish their strengths. Rather than a good spread of marks punishing the less able, a narrow spread punishes the more able by failing to identify or distinguish their abilities.</p>
<p>Also, a return to a reliance on exams is definitely to be welcomed. Back in the days of O-levels people complained that they were hard. Information: they&#8217;re meant to be. Modular course-work doesn&#8217;t in any way reflect real-life. In the world of work, you can&#8217;t learn one thing, apply it, then forget about it and learn something else. You have to know everything all the time and be able to draw on whichever part of your knowledge is appropriate in a given situation &#8211; just like an exam. (There is also an argument that exams tend to favour boys, coursework favours girls. So, since boys underperform at school, a return to exams would go some way towards redressing this inequality.)</p>
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